The return of Ca7riel and Paco Amoroso: “We like to go out, pump our balls and it’s in our blood”

Catriel Guerreiro and Ulises Guerriero, both 28 years old, have almost the same last name, but, beware, it is not the same; They are separated by an “i” and an “e” in different order. They are not twins, brothers or cousins, there is no blood relationship.

However, when they talk to each other, a connection is laid bare that comes from elsewhere. Childhood insurance, because they met in Buenos Aires, Argentina, when they were barely six years old and entered primary school. Some babies. “Mega together”, they both remember with La Cuarta, “and re-friends”.

At that time, Ulises’ mother “worked all day.” So Catriel’s father would pick them up to take them home, where they played and ate. “They made us eat, we did not eat,” they clarify beforehand. “We spent the whole day together.”

Then came high school and each one went to a different school. Although their mothers, until today, are close friends.

They too.

Ulises Guerriero and Catriel Guerreiro as children.

the synchronicity

Years later, Catriel sang a number to his name and went on to use the artistic nickname “Ca7riel” and started his musical career. On his side, Ulises baptized himself as “Paco Amoroso”.

They followed parallel paths but, at some point, at the end of 2018, they dared to cross paths. At that time, Ca7riel was looking to do something “more serious”, while his colleague encouraged him to “raise it” and do something “crazier”. Together, they made their first song, which they put together in half an hour.

“I wanted to make a rap with science when I was a kid,” recalls Ca7riel. With “Paquito”, one day we made a song together, “Piola”, and it was time to play it live.

At that time, Paco Amoroso was not yet Paco Amoroso and he had just studied drums at the Avellaneda Conservatory, as far as he could go by bicycle. Two days before that first performance, while working on weddings and birthdays with a special effects machine, it broke, leaving a third-degree burn on his arm.

Blindfolded and all, he decided to do the show. “Then Paquito went on stage Paquito, who had a broken arm,” says Ca7riel. “And he started throwing the song away,” after which “we received so much applause that I said ‘okay, I’ll never do it alone again,’” he declares. “From then on we didn’t stop.”

“I was born and had a life in which I always felt that I was not good for shit, based on reality and the demands I had on myself,” Paco Amoroso confessed to the Silencio site in November 2021.

—Paco, what influenced Ca7riel to make you leave the stage?

—A thousand, stupid. Music was an expense and the truth is that he was the first person (that he trusted), best friend, the person with whom I was the most, and he was always very clear that he wanted to be a musician. And from a very young age he had that idea in his head.

“Naa…” adds Catrilel. I also told the guy: “Come on, asshole, you’re great, come on”.

—There is also something about having someone close who is doing, which also drives you to do —reflects his colleague—… And nothing, it happened, it happened that way because they were very close friends.

Although that was only the beginning. Paco Amoroso still had a pending account with himself. He had released some solo songs such as “My wish” and “Fatal”, while his biggest hits had been in collaboration with his childhood friend, such as “OUKE”, “Ice cone” and “Not me”, which add up to several million views on both Spotify and YouTube.

But something was missing.

—I had four or five songs on Spotify, which were the only songs I had done in my life —says Paco—. He was not a person who put me to make songs and finish them like a music creator. And that re-weighed me, not having, perhaps, the tools, the perseverance or whatever. There was something that prevented me from doing all the music that other people do. Over time I developed the ability to make music. And now…

-… Nope! He went crazy! —His friend interrupts him —, Paquito went crazy to make songs!

On November 21st, Ca7riel released his first album, simply titled the disk. Four days later, Paco Amoroso also made his debut, with Arrow. high sync.

“Next question!”

“I feel that “Ca7riel” with the “7″ is another person in relation to the one I am at home”, the Argentine artist launched in 2020 interviewed by La Voz

—Today, do you feel that Ca7riel and Paco Amoroso are different people from who you really are?

“I feel like when I started, yes,” says Paco. Like the character that was on stage was a bit of an exaggeration. Now I feel closer between what I am, what happens on stage and what I say. I feel more natural. Although people like that character more, and would love to see him return to that. And the memory they have the most of me is that character, although I kind of already killed him.

-Oh poor! —Exclaims his friend before the death of that “character”.

And the other laughs. After throwing away the carving, he gets serious:

—Crazy —Ca7riel tells me—, now I’m 100% me on stage; and downstage, sometimes not. He turns the tables on me. On stage I can really say and do what I want, I’m really more of a son of a bitch, more bad on stage. I like it and people too, they know it’s real.

Paco Amoroso and Ca7riel.
Paco Amoroso and Ca7riel.

—How would Ulises Guerriero and Catriel “Cato” Guerreiro describe each other?

“Uh, I don’t know,” “Cato” replies, “…next question.

-Next question!

They laugh.

—What do “Cato” and “Paqui” talk about when they are alone?

—The misfortune of working with a friend is that, suddenly, you’re talking a lot about work —Paco Amoroso admits—. But the truth is that we still laugh at the same nonsense as when we were younger. And there are things there that continue to happen.

—We talk a lot about what the hell happened over the weekend —adds Catriel, the voice of songs like “McFly” and “BAD BITCH”.

Paco laughs.

-During the pandemic they were further apart, each one even released a record by their side… Did it serve them all that time in quarantine?

“Yes, obviously,” Ca7riel answers and asks me: “Did the pandemic help you?

-I guess…

“It re-used me,” he resumes. He thinks that we came from a very social 2019, surrounded by people all the time, who told us things and did not stop talking to us and offering things. And suddenly, the pandemic caught us. Suddenly, we had to be with ourselves, alone… “Well, what are we going to do?”… “Music”… “What music do we make?”… “The one that paints us”… That lonely freedom makes you learn what you want and what you don’t. So nothing, we send each other a few discazos, we meet later and collide forces again.

Paco Amoroso and Ca7riel on stage.
Paco Amoroso and Ca7riel on stage.

—When you make music, are you thinking of an audience?

—The more music you make, the more you do what you want, what is really happening to you —answers Paco—. The search for the impact or that it “breaks” it, as the songs come up, you gradually get rid of that. It’s like something to do for the first time, the feeling of releasing a song for the first time, the third and the fourth, and by song 30, 40 or 50 or whatever, you get used to that feeling. The music is more important at the end.

—But we also do it so that we can re-upload it to sing it live —adds Ca7riel.

—What is the process when you make music?

—First we throw a beat, a sound that gives us a game and already at the touch we begin to sing things to it —explains Paco—. And everything starts to happen.

—Yes, we get into the studio shouting and we agree on our plans: if we want to do a techno or whatever, and we send it forward —adds Ca7riel—. Almost always with a producer who is on the computer, and sometimes just the two of us. When we get together in the studio, perhaps more banal sensations come out, not so deep. That way, when you want to delve in two, both have to be at the same time, which is interesting (yes, difficult too). But we like to go out, swell our balls and it is something that is in our blood. We get to talk about it.

—Our project seeks the energy of “let’s do something now, thump, thump, thump!”, that has strength live and raises it —Paco declares—. Perhaps we save the sentimental and personal for our songs separately.

The return to Chile

The first time that both Argentines performed in Chile was together on April 23 at the Santa Laura Stadium, as one of the highlights of the 2022 Ritual Festival, on the same stage as Paloma Mami, L-Gante and Miranda!

Now, once again side by side, they will perform on Santiago soil, on Friday, November 30 at the Teatro Coliseo; Tickets are priced at $30,000 and are purchased through the TicketPro system.

About that fall debut at the stadium, “we had a great time, people surprised us, many knew the songs”, they remember. “That’s why we’re also coming back now, so soon, because it left a good feeling.”

—Do they call you “Chile” and what is the first thing that comes to mind?

-The wow! Catriel answers, without thinking.

Paco Amoroso agrees.

—Do you follow figures of the Chilean urban genre such as Polimá WestCoast, Marcianeke, Paloma Mami, Pablo Chill-E or AK-420?

—Pablito Chill-E drives us crazy, and he seemed like a capo: he came to greet us on the day of the festival to wish us good vibes —says Paco Amoroso—. He loves us. Later, with Gianluca we have a good vibe; I’m going to see now if we do something on this trip. The truth is that Chilean music is tightening. I know there’s also a lot of reggaeton stuff going on, although I didn’t get a chance to listen to that much…

“I like Paloma Mami,” Catriel launches. They re-barde me, but I love Paloma Mami, what she does. I liked rap, we got into each other’s music and we missed a lot of things.

—Why do they “barde” you for Paloma Mami?

—When you like something very pop, they barde you. And we, who rub shoulders with musical niches of jazz or metalheads, they beat you.

—Over time one gets rid of those musical prejudices?

“We like everything,” answers Paco. We are very open.

Ca7riel and Paco Amoroso on the roofs
Ca7riel and Paco Amoroso on the roofs

Months ago, both confessed their respective dreams. Paco Amoroso said that his was to act in a movie, although he was not sure what kind of film. Instead, Ca7riel confessed that his was to be a drummer for Duki, perhaps the greatest exponent of trap in Argentina

“Are those dreams still valid?”

“Yeah, sure,” Paco says.

“They didn’t let me,” laments Ca7riel.

—How do you imagine this society, this duo, towards the future?

“I have no idea,” Paco answers and laughs.

—You never know —concludes his friend—; we hate the future, we don’t understand that space-time, it’s very strange.

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